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Nov. 01, 1993: Big Mouths
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TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1993
Nov. 01, 1993 Howard Stern & Rush Limbaugh
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<source>Time Magazine</source>
<hdr>
COVER, Page 60
Big Mouths
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<p>Populist and popular, radio's right-wing pundit and gross-out
wild man have new mega-best sellers
</p>
<p>By KURT ANDERSEN--With reporting by Margaret Carlson/Washington, Georgia Harbison
and Andrea Sachs/New York and Jeffrey Ressner/Los Angeles
</p>
<p> If the millions of Americans fanatically devoted to Rush Limbaugh
and Howard Stern have one major common hypothesis about the
way the world works, it is that a rich and powerful elite, congregated
in Manhattan, sits in posh salons sipping cocktails and smugly
denigrating them and their unorthodox heroes.
</p>
<p> And they're right. One evening last week at the grand Manhattan
home of former Commerce Secretary Robert Mosbacher and his wife
Georgette, chat among the guests, who included eminence grise
Pete Peterson and Sally Jessy Raphael, variously covered Somalia
and Bosnia--and, eventually, Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern.
Another guest, the woman who edits both Limbaugh and Stern (as
well as Mrs. Mosbacher and Beavis and Butt-head) for Pocket
Books, came under attack for publishing Stern's unseemliness.
His book, Private Parts, in addition to autobiographical particulars
and his not-exactly-progressive views on social issues, flaunts
his low-down obsession with sexuality. "You should be ashamed,"
said a very powerful entertainment executive who has made millions
of dollars producing smutty, antisocial television and movies.
"Howard Stern is a pornographer!" another prominent diner screeched.
Still another predicted Stern's book would be a flop, since
nobody but semiliterate white trash listens to him.
</p>
<p> If Limbaugh's fans had been in Hartford, Connecticut, just three
days earlier, they could have had their own dark, resentful
suspicions confirmed. It was a symposium on infotainment featuring
a quorum of the national media elite--Sam Donaldson, Bernard
Kalb, Phil Donahue. When Donaldson, who says he often listens
to Limbaugh, slammed him for calling certain feminists "feminazis"
and for "his ad hominem attacks and ghoulish humor," the audience
of 2,000 erupted in approving hoots and applause. Mary Matalin,
who managed George Bush's campaign last year, was also on the
panel, and she asked how many in the audience had ever watched
or listened to Limbaugh. "Silence," Matalin says. "Absolute
silence. Nothing. Nobody." Of course, after she herself dismisses
Stern as a cretin, she admits she has never really listened
to him.
</p>
<p> America can pretty much be divided in two: on one side are Rush's
people and Howard's people, and on the other the decorous and
civilized who tend to be uncomfortable with strong broadcast
opinion unless it comes from Bill Moyers, Bill Buckley or, if
pressed, Andy Rooney. The Rush and Howard people--who, like
their avatars, have more in common than they know--seem to
be winning, or certainly proliferating.
</p>
<p> The array of forces can be reckoned roughly. Limbaugh now claims
20 million listeners on radio, of whom, his TV producer Roger
Ailes figures, two-thirds largely agree with his ideological
conservatism--the "dittoheads," as Limbaugh calls his fans.
More than 3 million dittoheads bought his first book during
the past year, and his new hard cover, See, I Told You So, which
appears in bookstores next week, has a first printing of 2 million,
the largest in American history. On his syndicated TV show,
which is broadcast mainly late at night, he draws a bigger audience
than Conan O'Brien or Arsenio Hall.
</p>
<p> As for Stern, somewhere between 4 million (according to the
radio-rating company Arbitron, which may underestimate listeners
to controversial shows such as Stern's) and 16 million (according
to Stern's camp) listen to him on the radio, where, like Limbaugh,
he broadcasts live for several hours every weekday. Stern's
book came out two weeks ago, and there are 1 million copies
after eight printings. It is, until Limbaugh's book supplants
it, No. 1 on the hardcover best-seller lists. His TV interview
show on cable's E! is often the highest-rated program on that
(smallish) entertainment-news channel.
</p>
<p> Very roughly speaking (and judging by a TIME/CNN poll), Limbaugh
is about 2 1/2 times as big as Stern. "Howard Stern says what's
on his mind," according to his book editor, Judith Regan. "Rush
Limbaugh says what's on his mind," according to his book editor,
Judith Regan. In terms of their relative media presences, says
Regan, "Rush is the heavyweight champion of the world. Howard
is a contender. He's in the ring."
</p>
<p> It seems unnecessary to concede that Limbaugh and Stern are
profoundly different creatures. At first glance--and to hear
both the Limbaugh camp and Stern tell it--they are utterly
dissimilar. "He hates to be compared to Stern," says Ailes.
"Stern is a pure entertainer. Rush was invited to have dinner
with Anthony Kennedy and Margaret Thatcher last month." Says
Stern: "My biggest fear is being lumped in ((with Limbaugh))."
It is easy to look no further than their obvious dissimilarities.
</p>
<p> One is a fat, baldish, old-fashioned middle American guy with
a delivery like Robert Preston in The Music Man, a conservative
ideologue who has never owned a pair of jeans, gorges on $250
meals of caviar and steak, revels in drinking "adult beverages"
and gets embarrassed when a friend makes a bawdy crack about
a female reporter interviewing him. The other is a skinny, 6-ft.
5-in. longhair who wears jeans, dark glasses and five earrings,
a teetotaler who eats no red meat and whose radio shows and
book inevitably include stretches of Butt-head, uncensored sex
raps. One is a cracker-barrel commentator descended from the
Great Gildersleeve, Paul Harvey and Ronald Reagan, whose often
arch, sometimes tiresome rants about "commie libs" have the
propulsive fluency of parliamentary debate; the other, a radio
verite comedian who is an odd fin-de-siecle hybrid of Joe Pyne,
Woody Allen and Lenny Bruce and who rambles on maniacally about
himself, show business and the world in general, variously appalling
and exhilarating. They seem antithetical generational caricatures--even though Limbaugh, 42, is a baby boomer only three years
older than Stern.
</p>
<p> Limbaugh is a more or less conventional pundit whose agenda
is the standard public agenda--government programs vs. free-market
solutions, self-reliance vs. entitlements. He has real influence--"the power," says Clinton White House consultant Paul Begala,
"to put something like Zoe Baird on the radar screen." (He is
a free-trader, and TIME has learned that President Clinton has
dispatched Lee Iacocca to enlist Limbaugh in the Administration's
campaign on behalf of NAFTA.)
</p>
<p> Stern doesn't seek power or influence, and doesn't have any.
He is smart and often sensible but intellectually lazy. He lurches
from a convincing take on the New York City mayoral race (he's
for Republican Rudolph Giuliani) to leering consideration of
Marla Maples' body to an acute inside-baseball dissection of
the Fox network's cancellation of Chevy Chase and back to some
babe talk. But he is nevertheless a social commentator with
a large constituency that regards him as an across-the-board
truth teller. Stern will never appear on a Washington round-table
program, but his wildly, unwholesomely eclectic agenda is actually
very much like that of an average Joe who doesn't tidily segregate
his thoughts on sex and pop effluvia from his thoughts on health-care
reform, and who doesn't see politics as the primary vehicle
for his hopes and fears.
</p>
<p> Sure, one's a prurient, free-associating rocker manque and one's
a tub-thumping right-wing former bowler, but how much more illuminating
to see Limbaugh and Stern as flip sides of a single brassy,
very American coin. They are not just analogous but kindred
phenomena, each man rising on adjacent zeitgeist updrafts. "They're
both ambassadors in the culture of resentment," says Newsday
media critic Paul Colford, who recently published The Rush Limbaugh
Story (St. Martin's Press; $19.95). In basic demographic terms
their core radio audiences look similar: white men (a majority
for Limbaugh, 75% for Stern) who are on the young side ("the
Letterman demographic," says Ailes of Rush's viewers), people
from the broad American middle class--small-businessmen, taxi
drivers, working stiffs who unapologetically enjoy action movies,
who feel besieged by (and may secretly enjoy feeling besieged
by) the nuttier extremes of political correctness.
</p>
<p> Limbaugh and Stern are popular because their audiences consider
them uniquely honest, commonsensical, funny and a bit reckless
(more than a bit in Stern's case) at a time when most people
on radio and TV seem phony, impersonal, dull, dissembling, hedging.
Both are irreverent, acute, bombastic, iconoclastic, outlandishly
populist rabble-rousers who make millions of dollars a year.
They are national ids, gleeful and unfettered. Howard is Rush's
evil twin, Goofus to his Gallant.
</p>
<p> On the other hand, reduced to their essential messages, both
Limbaugh and Stern are closer to the rough center, and closer
to each other, than almost anyone customarily imagines. You're
dubious? Consider the following diatribe: "You want the secret
of life? Here it is...[G]o to school if you're that age.
If the teacher tells you to sit in the chair, you sit in the
chair. If you don't feel like it, you force yourself, anyway.
You get older, the routine doesn't change. You eat breakfast,
you go to work, you come home...If you have kids, you live
with the kids. You don't move out on your wife...And if
you can't go along with these rules, you're a misfit." That's
Stern, and it's typical. Rush may be the ultimate Reaganite,
but Howard is a classic Reagan Democrat. (He voted for McGovern,
Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush and Clinton.)
</p>
<p> But Stern's infamous specialty is mean-spirited, horrendously
tasteless, occasionally racist lampoons. It's he, not Limbaugh,
who uses outrageous put-downs and salty language, right? Such
as calling a former U.S. Senator "Alan (`the Cadaver') Cranston"
and Perot "a hand grenade with a bad haircut." It's Stern, surely,
who used to do an on-air stunt with vacuum-cleaner sound effects
dubbed "caller abortions," who chatted with a female caller
about giving him "a throat massage" with her tongue, whose current
newsletter article on health-care reform is headlined BEND OVER,
AMERICA, and who just last week on the radio delivered a parody
ad for mail-order bricks from L.A. to be used as rioters' weapons,
talked about a "drunk penis" and the "scumbags" who get newspaper
coverage, and said, "Damn! Damn! Hell! Hell!" Pure Stern...?
</p>
<p> In fact, of course, all those were Limbaugh. Such antics constitute
a rather small part of his shtick (rather than a majority, as
with Stern, who goes much further than Limbaugh would ever dream
of, playing "Butt Bongo" and regularly sending out a stuttering
hanger-on to ask celebrities rude questions). But it is a good
part of what makes Limbaugh so much more successful than more
ordinary conservative radio personalities--indeed, what makes
him the most popular broadcast commentator of the age, maybe
ever. "I look at this," Limbaugh has said repeatedly, "as entertainment."
</p>
<p> Aside from Hollywood producer Don Simpson (Beverly Hills Cop,
Top Gun), who says that "Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh are
the only two voices of truth in the media," the same individuals
who like and admire Limbaugh are probably very seldom the same
individuals who like and admire Stern. But just who are they?
And why is each audience so fetched by its man? "All those 20
million people are not some kind of Nazis," Mary Matalin says
of her fellow dittoheads. "What's really homogeneous about them
is not their party affiliation but their mistrust of those they
elect to lead them, mistrust of institutional media, inaccessibility
to the system." Sounds not unlike Stern's fans, who, according
to Robin Quivers, his radio sidekick of 12 years, "feel he's
speaking for them. They're voices unheard. They're the hardworking
people who pay all the taxes, and they've seen their life-style
eroded."
</p>
<p> They are temperamentally and often literally Perot voters. Limbaugh
says when he started calling Perot a fraud and worse during
last year's campaign, "the hate mail I was getting was the most
I'd ever received. And it was scary--`You represent to us
exactly what Perot represents.' ''
</p>
<p> "He says things a lot of people my age group think," explains
Doug Tyler, 33, a New Orleans salesman, "but don't have the
nerve to express." He's talking about Stern. Tyler, for instance,
approves of Stern's Limbaughian screeds against overconcern
for criminal defendants. And while Camille Belchere, an artist
in Santa Monica, California, regularly finds Stern's breaches
of taste over the top--"There are some times when it gets
to be too much for me"--always, she says, "the next morning
I'll turn it on again." ABC News analyst Jeff Greenfield is
more a dittohead than a Howard fan, but he appreciates the appeal
of Stern's relentless sex talk. "He is the bubbling up from
the subconscious," says Greenfield. "If you're a guy and you
look at a beautiful woman, the first thing you think of is the
most elemental gamey horndog level of response. That's Howard."
</p>
<p> "I appreciate there's an alternative voice," says surgeon Robert
Allen, who lives south of San Francisco. "He carries a different
message than what we're usually bombarded with in the press."
He's talking about Limbaugh. "At times I find him a bit blustery."
Anne-Louise Shaffer is a 40ish housewife in Dixon, Illinois,
who says that "at first I found him extremely abrasive. But
there was nothing more interesting on, so I listened. Does he
present both sides? Absolutely not. But it's good to have someone
like this."
</p>
<p> Limbaugh is ubiquitous at the grass roots in a way that Stern
isn't and can never be. Here their careers really are apples
and oranges--although unquestionably a great big apple and
a smaller orange. Limbaugh's radio show is carried on 628 stations,
all but a few AM, scattered everywhere across America. Stern
is on during morning drive time on 15 stations, almost all major
FM outlets in the big cities of the West and Northeast. In New
York, Stern has the top-rated show on any station at any time
of day, with 1.2 million listeners. In Chicago, where Stern
is no longer on the air, Limbaugh's is the second-ranked show
in town; in Dallas he's No. 1; and in L.A., where both he and
Stern are popular, he is pulling in 38% more listeners.
</p>
<p> Limbaugh biographer Paul Colford estimates that Limbaugh makes
$4 million from radio annually, Stern $9 million. Limbaugh's
first book may earn him around $8 million, and his 12-page monthly
newsletter, with 370,000 subscribers, grosses $11 million, pushing
Limbaugh's annual in come to the $20 million range. Stern could
make $12 million this year between radio, television and book
money. (His income is the single subject he is loath to discuss
publicly.) Up or down, first or third, a dozen FM or 600, the
outsiders Limbaugh and Stern are suddenly both very rich men.
</p>
<p> Limbaugh and Stern were both born on Jan. 12, Limbaugh in Cape
Girardeau, Missouri, Stern on Long Island, New York. Limbaugh's
father owned a piece of a local radio station where Rush III
got his start, and Stern's father was a Manhattan radio engineer.
Limbaugh tried strenuously to please his father, and, according
to his brother David, "echoes of my dad reverberate through
everything my brother says." Stern says his father continually
screamed that he was a "moron." Neither dated much in high school.
Both work very conscientiously and don't like vacations or pursue
hobbies or very active social lives. (Limbaugh is friendly with
baseball's George Brett, as well as the Mosbachers and Matalin;
Stern says he pals around with literally no one, ever.) Both
are shy and charming in real life. On the air (both work in
midtown Manhattan), Limbaugh half-jokingly boasts he is "the
epitome of morality and virtue" with "talent on loan from God,"
and Stern half-jokingly calls himself "King of all Media." Both
are Snapple spokesmen.
</p>
<p> Both complain about being misrepresented. And Limbaugh does
not officially consider all feminists "feminazis," only those
who are enthusiastic about abortion. Both sometimes make ugly
cracks about blacks, and both could be considered pigs, happily
unenlightened. "I love the women's movement," Limbaugh has written,
"especially when I'm walking behind it." Both interlard their
radio talk with bits of hard rock. Each believes, with some
justice, that he is being made a special target by the Federal
Government. Limbaugh says he feels persecuted by Democratic
Congressmen who want to re-establish broadcasting's Fairness
Doctrine in order to pressure TV and radio stations to cancel
his shows. And the FCC is going after Stern vigorously, during
the past year fining Stern's employer $1.1 million for using
words no dirtier than "rump" and "wiener" and "love lava."
</p>
<p> Stern is at heart a deeply perverse jester, and looks and sounds
like one. When he chased Phil Donahue in order to kiss him (to
Phil's extreme displeasure) on Donahue's show two weeks ago,
he was being the pedal-to-the-metal performance artist one expects.
And his unedited riffing can often be, as charged, disgusting:
his jokes 11 years ago about his wife's miscarriage were inexcusable,
his now defunct TV show's low-rent T&A spectacle a depressing
glimpse into a New Jersey heart of darkness.
</p>
<p> Limbaugh the humorist, on the other hand, is a curious new species.
"The political turf of parody and satirists has almost always
been left," Jeff Greenfield says. "It's one thing to attack
liberals. But to be laughing at them--that's when some people
get crazy." Limbaugh calls the grandly elegant Secretary of
the Treasury "Lord Bentsen." He calls the presidential counselor
David Rodham Gergen.
</p>
<p> Stern graduated with good grades from prestigious Boston University,
and has assembled an unbroken onward-and-upward resume of better
and better radio jobs ever since. Limbaugh dropped out of Southeast
Missouri State after a year and had a nondescript disk-jockey
and p.r. career, getting fired from five jobs during his 20s
and 30s. Howard met his wife in college 19 years ago, married
her four years later and proudly says he has been faithful to
her. Alison Stern, the very picture of the cheerful, wholesome
middle-American housewife, raises their three daughters, ages
9 months to 10 years, at the family home in a conservative well-to-do
Long Island suburb. "I look around at the creeps and mutants
out there," the fretful dad writes in Private Parts, "and the
idea that these idiots are going to invade my life and marry
my daughters at some point really frightens me." Limbaugh has
been married twice, the first time for 18 months, the second
time to a Kansas City Royals usherette; he is childless and
lives alone in a small apartment on Manhattan's ultra-liberal
Upper West Side.
</p>
<p> Which is not to suggest that Limbaugh's ideological sincerity
and coherence are anything less than total. He plainly believes
what he says and mostly argues his cases lucidly, particularly
by radio standards. Nor, in this post-Reagan age, can he be
called an extremist.He harps on liberal straw men in a way that
seems more properly circa-1973 ("long-haired, maggot-infested,
dope-smoking peace pansies"), and his logic can be unforgivably
specious (against the pro-choice argument for abortion:"Can
a woman choose to steal, using her own body?"). But in fact
his views on abortion are relatively nuanced. Nor is it kooky
or even wrong to assert, as Limbaugh has, that the risk of heterosexual
AIDS and estimates of the homeless population have been exaggerated
for political reasons, that increased school expenditures don't
necessarily produce better education, that means testing for
Social Security would be a fine idea, that taking responsibility
for one's own life is all-important.
</p>
<p> Limbaugh and Stern exist in parallel universes, but in symbiosis.
Stern was successfully raising the threshold of provocative
radio performance for years before Limbaugh came along. And
certainly Limbaugh's unbudging commitment to free speech and
the free market help make Stern possible. Despite the conventional
wisdom, both endure and grow in popularity, Limbaugh remarkably
so: his radio audience has increased 50% in each of the past
two years. Will they be hectoring and outraging all over the
airwaves a decade from now? Stern is smart enough to think he
won't be. Limbaugh probably will be unless he really triumphs
and a Reaganite Republican such as Bill Bennett is elected President,
which could moot a lot of the national appetite for his political
evangelizing.
</p>
<p> For now, both Limbaugh and Stern make the circus-cum-marketplace
of ideas quirkier, livelier, more bracing, more free, more American.
Limbaugh, Greenfield rightly says, "highlights how overwhelmingly
banal the normal public discourse is. You get ingots of predigested
mush that pass for political debate, and here's Rush with some
sparkle to him." One could argue that the Rialto is already
plenty gross and strange enough without any help from Stern,
but he does manage sometimes to turn the vulgar sublime. One
could also argue that the ascendance of such meretricious infotainers
suggests something less than flattering about America in the
late 20th century.
</p>
<p> "Stern and Limbaugh make it a more interactive, more personal
experience," says Everette Dennis of Columbia University."They
make it a better, more vibrant medium. It's the triumph of the
individual." Limbaugh regularly calls himself "the most dangerous
man in America." Stern uses the very phrase to describe himself.
The truth is, neither is very dangerous. Rather, the fact that
either is seriously considered a threat, that 34% of Americans
(and 48% of Democrats) think the government should not allow
Rush to make fun of the Clintons on the air, according to the
TIME/CNN poll, is more worrisome than Stern or Limbaugh will
ever be.
</p>
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